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How Jesus Responded to the Divorce Debate

In Matthew 5:31-32, Jesus offers a quote from the Torah about when it is lawful to divorce, and then he shares his perspective. But what is the context of these words, and how would Jesus’ original audience have heard them? It’s easy for modern readers to miss, but Jesus is entering a longstanding debate concerning a passage about divorce in Deuteronomy 24—and his take is surprising. In this episode, Jon, Tim, and special guest Jeannine Brown discuss the story surrounding divorce in ancient Israel, the Bible’s ideal of covenant loyalty, and the wisdom we can find in Scripture to navigate divorce in our culture today.

Episode 13
45m
Mar 25, 2024
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Show Notes
Episodes

Timestamps

  • Chapter 1: The Context of Jesus’ Words on Divorce (00:00-11:51)
  • Chapter 2: Divorce in Ancient Jewish Culture (11:51-23:06)
  • Chapter 3: Divorce Compared to the Genesis 1-2 Ideal (23:06-42:49)

Referenced Resources

Show Music

  • Original Sermon on the Mount music by Richie Kohen
  • BibleProject theme song by TENTS

Show Credits

Jon Collins is the Creative Producer for today’s show. Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer; Cooper Peltz, managing producer; Colin Wilson, producer; and Stephanie Tam, consultant and editor. Tyler Bailey, Frank Garza, and Aaron Olse are our audio editors. Tyler Bailey is also our audio engineer, and he provided our sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Special thanks to Jeannine Brown. Today’s hosts are Jon Collins and Michelle Jones.

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Scripture References
Genesis 1:27
Genesis 2:24
Deuteronomy 24
Matthew 19:4
Matthew 19:7-8
1 Corinthians 7
Deuteronomy 24:1
Matthew 19
Matthew 5:31-32
Matthew 5:32
Matthew 16-20
John 4:5-30
Matthew 19:14
Matthew 19:5-6
Matthew 18

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How Jesus Responded to the Divorce Debate
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