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Giants and Justice

In this episode, we once again encounter the Nephilim, the evil demon-human hybrid beings we first met in Genesis 6. Now they resurface as giants inhabiting Canaan, the land Yahweh promised to Israel. Join Tim and Jon as they tackle the complex issues of violent conquest, human and spiritual evil, and divine justice.

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1hr 13m
Oct 17, 2022
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In Genesis 3-11, we see a portrait of what happens when a human culture gives itself over to death and practices that lead to death and calls those things good. The people groups who inhabit the promised land are portrayed as these kinds of people—people that are too far gone, like the generation of the flood. However, this is the land that Yahweh’s marked out to be a hub of Eden life for the rest of the nations.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • The Nephilim were spiritual being-human hybrids and wicked, violent giants. The Anakim, who inhabited the land of Canaan, were descendants of the Nephilim.
  • The flood is an important archetype of judgment in the story of the Bible. By flooding the earth, God is accelerating the natural end of what humans have already set in motion. The biblical story lays the responsibility for taking life upon humanity, not Yahweh.
  • Deuteronomy describes the inhabitants of Canaan as people groups that have given themselves over to death and practices that lead to death, all while calling those things good. However, Israel will later give themselves to the same evil as the Canaanites. More than anything, the biblical stories of conquest are an indictment of humans who have allowed themselves to become infected with the power of the snake.

Giants in the Land

In part one (00:00-14:18), Tim and Jon talk about a second key theme in the first movement of Deuteronomy, giants. We’ve been tracing the theme of listen and love, which is interwoven throughout the first movement alongside frequent mention of giants in the promised land.

These stories are challenging to read because they center around Israel entering the land of Canaan and conquering the people already living there, all at Yahweh’s command. These narratives are disturbingly violent, and it’s important to acknowledge that as we read, while also trying to read sympathetically and understand what the biblical authors intended us to take away from these stories.

The Anakim and Nephilim

In part two (14:18-28:56), Tim and Jon explore the first place Moses mentions giants in Deuteronomy (Deut. 1:20-33). At the end of Deuteronomy 1, Moses refers to a group of people called the “Anakim.” In Numbers 13, the 12 spies sent to explore the promised land identified the Anakim as well as the Nephilim (Num. 13:33; Gen. 6:1-6). The Nephilim were spiritual being-human hybrids, and in addition to being giants, they were wicked and extremely violent. The Anakim who inhabited the land of Canaan were descendants of the Nephilim.

Numbers 13:28 also links the Anakim to Nimrod and the builders of Babylon. In a nutshell, the Anakim were considered “bad guys” in the biblical story, representing the greatest evil of both humans and spiritual beings.

Divine Justice Upon Human Evil

In part three (28:56-45:29), Tim and Jon take a closer look at the storyline of the Nephilim and Anakim throughout the Torah.

We first meet the Nephilim in Genesis 6, where the “sons of elohim” see the beauty of human women and take them for themselves. The offspring of these unsanctioned unions were the Nephilim, giant human-spiritual being hybrids. At this point, the clock starts ticking down toward the great de-creation event in the Torah, the flood.

The flood is God’s response to the violence of the Nephilim and humanity (Gen. 6:5)—an acceleration of what humans have already set in motion. Genesis 1-11 is a narrative of human and spiritual evil and the consequences that follow. And in Deuteronomy, we see this Genesis narrative echoed, as the Canaanites are portrayed as people who have given themselves over to violence and rebellion.

Deuteronomy 7:1-3

When the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to take possession of it, and he drives away many nations from before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the Lord your God turns them over to you and you defeat them, you shall utterly destroy them. You shall not make a covenant with them nor be gracious to them. Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them.

Interestingly, the language Moses uses—“utterly destroying” the nations—already seems to be rhetoric because he assumes those people groups will still be around to present the opportunity of covenant forging and intermarriage with Israel.

Responding to Difficult Texts

In part four (45:29-01:11:22), the guys wrap up our conversation by exploring how readers can respond to the narratives of conquest.

Even though there were survivors from these people groups, these stories can be uniquely challenging to read and process because instead of a flood carrying out God’s justice, Yahweh appoints Israel to do so.

The takeaway from texts like this should not be that they justify conquest of other people groups. These stories are, more than anything, an indictment of humans who have allowed themselves to become infected with the power of the snake. We know from the story of Jacob in Genesis that even God’s people can become snake-like. Only Yahweh acts with perfect justice and integrity, and sometimes, to preserve creation, he destroys those who threaten it.

Referenced Resources

  • Interested in more? Check out Tim’s library here.
  • You can experience the literary themes and movements we’re tracing on the podcast in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.

Show Music

  • “Defender (Instrumental)” by TENTS
  • "The Truth About Flight, Love, and BB Guns" by Foreknown
  • "Radio Station" by Moby
  • "Heal My Sorrows" by Grey Flood

Show produced by Cooper Peltz with Associate Producer Lindsey Ponder. Edited by Dan Gummel, Tyler Bailey, and Frank Garza. Podcast annotations for the BibleProject app by Hannah Woo.

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Scripture References
Genesis 6
Genesis 1:26-28
Genesis 6:4
Genesis 3-11
Genesis 4:7
Genesis 5
Deuteronomy 13
Ephesians 6:12
Genesis 6:11
Genesis 1-11
Deuteronomy 1-11
Matthew 8:28-34
Genesis 4
Leviticus 18:1-5
Numbers 13
Deuteronomy 1
Deuteronomy 1:20-25
Deuteronomy 1:26-28
Numbers 13:33
Genesis 3:4-5
Genesis 3:14-24
Deuteronomy 7:1-3
Deuteronomy 7:5
Leviticus 18:24-28
Romans 9
Luke 22:39-53
1 Corinthians 3
Galatians 5
Genesis 8:18-29

12 Episodes

Episode 12
Simkhat Torah: Celebrating a Year of Reading
When a Jewish synagogue finishes reading through the Torah together, they celebrate Simkhat Torah. What is Simkhat Torah? Find out on today’s episode as Jon and Tim reflect on our year-long journey through the Torah and look ahead to the rest of the TaNaK.
1hr 16m • Dec 19, 2022
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Episode 11
When Do Words Become a Blessing?
How do we know the biblical authors intended to link certain words and stories? When do someone’s words become a blessing? How do sacrifices actually atone for sins? In this episode, Tim and Jon respond to audience questions from a year’s worth of conversations about the Torah. Thank you to our audience for your questions!
1hr 4m • Dec 12, 2022
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Episode 10
Which Laws Still Apply?
Which ancient Israelite laws still apply today and which don’t? Should the law be divided into moral, civil, and ceremonial categories? And why did Jesus quote Deuteronomy when Satan tempted him? In this episode, Tim and Jon respond to audience questions about the Deuteronomy scroll. Thanks to our incredible audience for your questions.
59m • Dec 5, 2022
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Episode 9
Moses’ Final Words
Who are Yahweh’s children? For most of the Torah, the answer seems to be all of Israel. But in his final moments, Moses tells Israel that Yahweh’s true children are those who remain faithful to his covenant. In the final episode of our journey through the Torah, join Tim and Jon as they explore a prophetic poem that will set the tone for the rest of the TaNaK.
1hr 20m • Nov 28, 2022
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Episode 8
Can Anyone Live a Blessed Life?
Moses gives the least motivating pep talk ever in the third movement of Deuteronomy. He outlines God’s covenant and the various blessings and curses associated with it, and then he tells Israel, “You’re going to fail.” Talk about demoralizing! In this episode, join Tim and Jon as they explore the paradox of righteousness accomplished by divine sovereignty and human freedom through the lens of Deuteronomy and the New Testament writers.
1hr 27m • Nov 21, 2022
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Episode 7
Covenant Curses
In the final movement of Deuteronomy, there’s a pretty lengthy list of curses that will fall upon Israel if they break their covenant with Yahweh. But what exactly is a curse? Why are there so many of them, and what do they have to do with Israel’s covenant with Yahweh? In this episode, Tim and Jon talk about blessings and curses, ancient Near Eastern law code, and the choice all humans have between death or life.
59m • Nov 14, 2022
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Episode 6
Jesus, Marriage, and the Law
The Pharisees frequently tested Jesus on his knowledge of the law, and in Matthew 19, they grill him on a particularly challenging law about divorce. In this episode, join Tim and Jon as they wrap up the second movement of Deuteronomy by exploring Jesus’ understanding of the law and how it can help us interpret the Torah.
1hr 10m • Nov 7, 2022
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Episode 5
How Do We Use the Law Today?
Israel’s laws were meant to form them into people of wisdom who lived differently than the nations around them. But what wisdom can Christians gain from the law? In this episode, listen in as Tim and Jon discuss the wisdom the apostles gleaned from the law.
54m • Oct 31, 2022
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Episode 4
The Law … Again
In the second movement of Deuteronomy, Moses gives Israel the law … again. But this time, he’s not talking to a nomadic group of people wandering the desert—he’s talking to the next generation preparing to settle in a permanent home for the first time. As they move into the land, their laws and their lives will need to look a little different. But in what way? In this episode, join Tim and Jon as they discuss how the law was always meant to form Israel (and modern readers) into people of wisdom, justice, and righteousness.
1hr 14m • Oct 24, 2022
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Episode 3
Giants and Justice
In this episode, we once again encounter the Nephilim, the evil demon-human hybrid beings we first met in Genesis 6. Now they resurface as giants inhabiting Canaan, the land Yahweh promised to Israel. Join Tim and Jon as they tackle the complex issues of violent conquest, human and spiritual evil, and divine justice.
1hr 13m • Oct 17, 2022
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Episode 2
The Way to True Life
In the first movement of Deuteronomy, two words appear more frequently than any others—listen and love. Why did Moses emphasize these two words in his farewell speech to Israel? In this episode, Tim and Jon explore what it looks like to be loyal to Yahweh, the God unlike any other, who listens to humanity.
1hr 6m • Oct 10, 2022
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Episode 1
What’s the Point of Deuteronomy?
Have you ever wondered where the earliest sermons in the Bible are found? Moses’ final speech to Israel, found in Deuteronomy, is the first time we see what is essentially a modern sermon—a long speech meant to communicate God’s truth. Just as Israel is about to enter the promised land, Moses reminds them that, just like their ancestors, they have the choice to live by their own wisdom or to follow Yahweh’s life-giving commands. Join Tim and Jon as they dive into the final scroll of the Torah and explore the choice before Israel—and the choice we face today too.
1hr 3m • Oct 3, 2022
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