Podcast Date: June 02, 2017
Speakers in the audio file:
Jon: This is Jon from The Bible Project. Today on the podcast, it is the first in a new series
on How to Read the Bible. If you're like me, reading the Bible is difficult. It usually
involves sitting alone at a desk or on a couch, opening up to some random passage
and hoping it makes sense. So today, Tim and I are going to talk about different,
more ancient way to read the Bible.
Tim: The purpose of the Bible is to be read aloud to God's assembled people, to both tell
the story that reminds them who they are, and also to invite those assembled people
into this covenant relationship with God, not just so that they know God but so that
they are transformed by this relationship and then become God's representatives to
Jon: How was the Bible read originally and what is the primary purpose of reading the
Bible? Here we go.
This is kind of a new type of project we're going to do. Because normally we'll take a
book of the Bible, its literary structure and themes and design, or we'll take one
specific theme or motif that goes through all Scripture. Those have been the subjects
that we talked about. But we want to talk about this idea of why it's important to
read scripture out loud together.
That's not a theme of the Bible, per se, but it's something we're interested in. I think
we should talk a little bit why we're interested in it, but that's what we're going to
talking about. Reading the Bible out loud with each other.
Tim: Having the Bible read aloud to a group of Jesus's followers and no teaching, no
sermon. Just hearing a big section of the Bible read aloud.
Actually, there's a bit of personal history that's just now occurring to me. When I was
a fairly new Christian. I was in my early 20s, Jon and I were both a part of this
community connected to our church and the ministry outreach escape order called
Skate Church. This group, I don't know, maybe 80 people or so-ish met Thursday
nights in the gigantic living room of our house for years.
I remember one of those Thursday nights, some guy came and just recited the whole
letter to the Ephesians. And that was the main gathering point. That was Jason
Nightingale, came to Thursday night.
Jon: What did that take? Like 15 minutes or something?
Tim: It wasn't that long. He both gave a little thought or exposition after it, but mostly it
was just he was pointing out key themes that repeat in the letter to the Ephesians.
But just the act of having a whole book of the Bible read aloud as the main thing,
that was brand new to me. I'd never been exposed to anything like that. It was a guy
named Jason Nightingale, who's ministry is to travel around the world reciting whole
books of the Bible that he's memorized.
Jon: My first experience, actually, with Jason Nightingale I was 17. I went to this
conference in Portland, Jason Nightingale did the Revelation.
Tim: The whole book of Revelation?
Jon: The whole book. I remember it was difficult for me to pay attention the whole time
because I'm 17-year-old. But it was captivating. I don't remember anything else
about that conference but I remember that. I was fascinated how he had
remembered so much. It was really a new experience to hear all that scripture read
out loud, like that. That was my experience.
Tim: I agree it was really remarkable when I first heard that too. Then what I did with that
group is for, I don't know, maybe a part of a year, about every three months or
quarterly, we would get a friend to open up their house on a Friday night, and we
just gather whoever wanted to come, and we read each of the four gospels aloud in
one evening over the course of that year.
Just two and a half hours, and we just sit in a huge circle and just take a turn. Read a
whole chapter. Then get together with some friends in one long afternoon, we read
all of Paul's letters aloud in one go. Anyhow, this became a really powerful
experience for me so much so that it motivated me to memorize myself the Sermon
on the Mount, and then I did the same thing like, recited it for that Thursday night
I'm so glad I did that. Having all of that in my head, not having to, like, "What did
Jesus say again," but just it's in there, it's been the greatest gift to me over the years
to have his most famous teachings in my memory. Anyway, that's a bit of our
As we've been doing The Bible Project, we came across someone who wanted to
give us some encouragement and this is his whole deal.
Jon: Bill, he's out in New York and we went to visit him. He's just like...I think it's at lunch
Tim: He's a businessman. He opens us his office.
Jon: And just come to the office and then they play the Bible with a specific app that he's
all about, Word of Promise, which is like this Hollywood version.
Tim: It's dramatized.
Jon: It's dramatized.
Tim: I see.
Jon: There's an actor for every character and there's a little bit of music in the
Tim: It's an audio Bible just playing in a room.
Jon: So they just show up to play the audio Bible and eat a meal, and then they go, "Cool,
thanks for coming." There's not necessarily discussion afterwards. People will stay
and talk, but it's not mandatory.
Tim: Just hearing the scripture read aloud is the thing.
Jon: And Bill is saying, that's powerful, and we just need to do more of it. I hadn't really
heard anyone else advocate for that specifically. At the same time, he was telling us
that, we had already planned this Revelation event where we were having Jason
Nightingale come. And so we did that.
Tim: At the end of 2016 when we premiered last read scripture video about the
Revelation, we showed and —
Jon: And Jason Nightingale recited the Revelation.
Tim: All these years later, we invited him back, and he came.
Jon: Yeah, and he did it. It was exactly as I remembered it. It was awesome.
Tim: It was incredible.
Jon: He looked like he had not changed at all, which is strange because that was 20 years
Tim: He kind of looks like a kind Hells Angel. Like you shake hands with him, and he's very
tall, he's a big dude. He could kill me with his pinkie of finger. But he's so kind. Then
he gets up and starts reciting a book of the Bible. His voice is such, such a powerful...
Jon: Then we started experimenting in the office were on Wednesday mornings now we
get together and we listen for an hour. With that Word of Promise app, we listened
through Mark. It was a really cool experience. It just hit me how when you hear this
kind of one story after the next and just let it absorb, you just get different sense of
the story. And Jesus really came across this pretty rough writer.
Tim: Especially in Mark.
Jon: He's like no-nonsense. Not meek and mild at all.
Tim: There are many Christian traditions where reading of the Scriptures in the worship
gathering plays a role. But in the history of the church, it's taking the form of these
things called the lectionaries, where there'll be a reading often from the Pentateuch,
from the prophets, and then from the Gospels. There will be selection.
They're usually bigger sections or sometimes smaller, but the practice of having a
large section of the Bible just read aloud is not a practice. It's widespread in any
Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox Christian tradition as a regular part of the lectionaries.
Basically, like that. But even then, it's still small sections of a book.
Jon: If someone tells you, "Hey, we got together and we read through a book," you'll be
like, "Wow, that's crazy."
Tim: Yeah. Or why somebody like Jason, whose ministry is to go around the world just
reciting whole books of the Bible at one go, and you go, "That's weird." I thought
about this over time, like, "That's weird that that's weird." I feel like that shouldn't be
Jon: I think one of the things we're contemplating, the reason why we want to do this
video and have this discussion is maybe that shouldn't be weird anymore. No one's
really advocating for it. There's plenty of people who advocate for spend time alone
with the Bible and read large sections by yourself. And that's awesome. But there's
this unique opportunity to advocate for Christians developing this disciplines,
coming together and reading it out loud.
Tim: Actually, even though the history of the Christian church hasn't really put this
practice in the spotlight, it's very ancient. It's a very Jewish. Actually, the origins of
the Bible itself, are wrapped up with this very practice of God's people gathering
together in sacred moments to hear large portions of the Divine Word read to them.
So we thought we want to make a video about this.
Jon: We want to make a video and then we just want to see what happens. We want to
see if people will start doing it more. If you're using our videos to read through the
Bible, maybe a way to do it is read with other people.
Tim: That's right.
Jon: There's a lot of practical reasons why that's awesome, and we can talk about those,
but what this conversation's going to be first is you walking us through the history
of it in Scripture itself and then after, that.
Tim: That's right. It's a biblical theme study. The whole biblical story isn't unified by this,
but this is a repeated idea.
Jon: Repeated idea?
Tim: It's repeated in the story of the Bible. Actually, the written origins of the Bible are
wrapped up with this very practice of public reading scripture to the group of people
Jon: For a lot of reasons, it seems important. We don't know where it's going to lead
besides a video, but hopefully, it'll encourage people to try it.
Tim: We think that it should be normal that followers of Jesus invite groups of people
over to their homes for an evening of hearing the Bible read aloud.
Jon: Maybe we should start with the practical things really quick because that's
where...Getting people together to just read the Bible out loud is super simple.
Tim: It's very simple.
Jon: Very simple. It's intimidating to think about starting a small group or something.
Tim: Reading a Bible study.
Jon: Because you feel like you need to know, you need to be prepared. There's going to
be all these questions because you're leading it. You're like, I don't know. It just kind
of has all this weightiness to it. But just inviting people over to your home to read
the Bible out loud, that's it. Show up, let's read.
And you don't even have to read. You can get a Bible app and have it play. You
could do it for 20 minutes, you could do it for 60 minutes, you could do for two
hours, whatever makes the most sense. It's really simple.
But then also it just develops community in a different way where once you've done
that and you've come together, it's just natural to then talk about what you...
Tim: It's like going to a movie. You have the experience together with these people that
becomes a social bond. Also, there's a formative thing that happens to there.
Think about an average Protestant, I don't know, but Catholic as well. Where do
people encounter the Bible? Well, they will encounter it as part of a worship
gathering or a mass of some kind. In what way? They might hear a section of the
Bible read aloud as a lectionary, or they might hear a section of the Bible read aloud
and taught or preached on as a part of a sermon. But just by necessity, there has to
be just a paragraph or a single story.
If for years, that's the only exposure you have to the Bible, what's the purpose of the
Bible? I don't know. What do you mean? Its purpose it's just you go to church and
you hear paragraph read. You're never exposed to anything larger than one
paragraph at a time.
I think that's actually true for many people's personal experience of reading the Bible
silently by yourself at night, or in the morning or something. And usually, it's—
Jon: Or with a devotional guide and they pull out some—
Tim: Or a devotional guide which focuses on one sentence, or maybe three sentences, or
a paragraph, or even just one chapter. But the point is, is that these books were
written books, unified literary wholes that are meant to be read from beginning to
Jon: It'll be like if there was this whole group of people that love to get together and just
quote lines from the Godfather trilogy or something. That's right.
Tim: They never watch the whole movie.
Jon: They would never watch the whole movie, but they would show scenes every once in
a while and they will talk about it.
Tim: That's right. Show two-minute clip.
Jon: Or someone says, "You know what we should do? We should sit down and watch the
entire Godfather Part 1." And people will be like, "What?"
Tim: "What? No one does that."
Jon: "The whole thing all at once?"
Tim: What?" Those are long movie.
Jon: Yeah. That will take three hours. Watching the whole trilogy, that would take nine
hours. That third one's a beast.
Tim: But especially now in the days of binge-watching on Netflix, people don't even flinch
at committing four weeknights in a row. You get home from work and you just
watch from six till bedtime. But isn't it weird that we don't think about the Bible with
that same kind of mentality?
It's formative and that it can reshape how you think about the Bible if you stop
thinking about verses, you stop thinking about the Bible in terms of verses and you
think about it in terms of books, and sections of book and movement, and so on.
Jon: There's got to be something psychologically different from reading and hearing, too.
Because I have read like large sections of Mark, but for some reason just listening to
it was a different experience.
Tim: It's a totally different experience.
Jon: And I don't know why. I'm not a scientist.
Tim: As we'll see, we're almost certainly way more in touch with how these books were
written and what they were meant to do, which was to be read aloud. There are
some books of the Bible that even say in themselves, "This was meant to be read
aloud to a group of people."
This is about reshaping our experience of the Bible, our expectations. It also creates
new opportunities for the Bible to work on us and the mess with us. It's just through
the most simple practice that requires no religious professionals.
Jon: A religious professional with no prep - no one has to prepare.
Tim: It's just the simplest thing in the world.
Jon: Then you get to do something that you always feel like you don't do enough, at
least if you are a typical Christian.
Tim: Yeah, do it together with your friends.
Jon: You want to walk us through this?
Tim: Yeah. It's been a while in these conversations since I've been able to do good Bible
trivia. So maybe don't look at notes.
Tim: Where is the writing of the Bible mentioned for the first time in the story of the
Bible? In other words, you start at Page 1, where will you come across, for the first
time, the mention of anybody writing the Bible?
Jon: Writing the Bible as in knowing that this is part of a—?
Tim: Yeah. It's somebody writing and what they're writing is something that's going to
itself become a part of the book that you're reading. If it's a narrative, we're talking
about the first mention of the writing of the Bible within the Bible itself.
Jon: Well, give me an example of one that's not the first that's won't give anything away.
Tim: Like in the book of Jeremiah, he's told to write down all of his prophecies and poems
and essays into a scroll. So he does. There is a story about the writing of the book of
Jeremiah in Jeremiah.
Jon: Got it.
Tim: And then a whole chapter, Jeremiah 36.
Jon: I'm guessing it's somewhere in Exodus with Moses. I just don't know what story
Tim: It's good. Good job. That's great. That's right. It's always pleasant. Many people think
it has something to do with Moses, but typically I think it has something to do with
the 10 commandments, because oh, yeah, writing of the commandment and stuff
Actually, the first mention of the writing of the Bible in the Bible is a story before
Israel gets to Mount Sinai, but they're in the desert on the way there. It's in Exodus
chapter 17. The people have escaped from slavery in Egypt, they've got food and
some stuff that plundered from the Egyptians, but they're an escaped band of slaves
out in the desert.
They're not Canaanites but they live in the south. They live in what would be
modern-day Jordan around the region of Amman. They are called the Amalekites.
They see this right for plunder and so they totally pounce on an attack to the
The Israelites have to form an impromptu defense force. This is the story people
might be familiar with, is that Moses goes up on a hill to pray for victory. When he
raises his hands in prayer, Israel is winning, but then he's an old man, he's tired. So
his arms get heavy because he's like, "Oh."
Then when he stopped praying, Israel starts losing the battle. It's odd. So he gets
two guys to help him hold his arms up and then he prays and they win.
Then once the battle is over, Exodus 7:14, God says to Moses, "Write this on a scroll
as something to be remembered." This is the first mention of the writing of the Bible
in the Bible. To me, it's interesting because it has nothing to do with commands or
Jon: It's a story.
Tim: "Remember the story." The purpose of writing isn't just for archival purposes. It's to
actively remember this event. What was this event? God rescued his people out of
slavery, they're vulnerable, they were almost destroyed, but God intervened and
rescued his people.
The first thing from the story is a very simple takeaway. What do we learn about the
purpose of the Bible from this first mentioning of the writing of the Bible in the
Bible? Its purpose is apparently to tell a story so that God's people remember how
He acted to save and inform the people that he would bring himself. That's the first
mentioned of the reading the Bible in the Bible.
Tim: Let's say that one doesn't go over very well in your Friday night gathering.
Jon: People aren't impressed.
Tim: Then you can follow up with the next one, which is what's the second mention of the
writing of the Bible in the Bible. Your listeners, [unintelligible 00:21:21] and
somebody will say, "Moses to also..." The second mentioned of the writing the Bible
in the Bible does take place at Mount Sinai in connection with the 10
Just think of how the story goes so far. Israel has already experienced its great
salvation event. They sang a song about it in Exodus 15. They've been saved again,
and so Moses started writing the Bible to tell that story.
Now they get to this mountain, and God appears personally on the mount in smoke
and cloud and all that and He wants to enter into a covenant relationship with them
so that He can make Israel into a kingdom of priests, a whole nation that will be his
priestly representatives to the nations. We've explored this and many Bible Project
They assembled. Here we go. The public reading of Scripture. The people assemble
to hear from God at the foot of the mountain. And Moses—
Jon: It makes them sound like transformers or something. Assemble.
Tim: Wow, assemble.
Jon: It sounds like a weird word. But that's the word.
Tim: That's the word. It's a normal English. Assembly. School assembly. So they all come
before the mountain, and God announces the 10 commandments to Moses. Then a
few dozens more commandments that are all found in Exodus 20, 21, 22. Then
Moses, he writes them down. Second mention of the writing the Bible in the Bible.
Then he goes down in Exodus 24 to the people. We hear Moses writes up all of the
terms of this covenant relationship. He reads them aloud. This is the first time
somebody reads the Divine Word aloud to God's assembled people. And it's a
marriage. It's a wedding ceremony. It's a covenant. The first mention of the writing
the Bible is about a salvation story that God's people are to never forget because it
reminds them who they are.
The second mention of the writing the Bible in the Bible is writing up the terms of a
covenant relationship. Then the first time those words are ever read aloud over
God's people, it's a covenant ceremony. So the people here all the words and then
they respond, "Everything the Lord has said we're going to do."
This is why when I start to think about this, I thought, "This is interesting video and it
really ties into—."
Jon: The whole formation of their identity.
Tim: The origins of the Bible are completely wrapped up with the origins of God forming
a people and the two exist very closely connected. The purpose of the Bible is to be
read aloud to God's assembled people to both tell the story that reminds them who
they are, and also to invite those assembled people into this covenant relationship
with God not just so that they know God, but so that they are transformed by this
relationship and then become God's representatives to the nations.
Sociologists have language for this; identity formation. The purpose of the Bible is to
be read aloud to God's gathered people to help them form a unique identity as a
minority group among the nations who live by a different story.
We can talk about this later, but following in our day, was combination of this story.
Following Jesus is very hard. It involves living by a value set that's often not shared
by the majority of your family and friends. What kinds of habits or practices does it
take to foster that to make it seem normal that following Jesus is actually the right
thing to do, even though it's not the story everyone else is doing? It's right here -
It's not you getting a cup of tea and going by yourself? No. It's that you assemble as
a group to hear the story and to hear the terms of the relationship and what God's
calling you to as a people. That's the habit. That itself is the ordinance of the Bible.
Jon: A habit that I was taught in terms of reading the Bible was a very individual habit. Sit
down with your Bible. There are four steps. You observe what's in the text, you...I
don't know if I'll remember all this. Then you interpret and then you apply. I think I
missed one because that's three. But I got the application. I don't know where else
you go from there.
I just remember the whole point was the application. Get to application. This is very
early. I mean, this is before Bible college. If I ever sat down to read the Bible, it was
always about what am I supposed to do with this? How is this supposed to
specifically, concretely change what I do today? If I didn't get there, I didn't feel like
it was a success - like my Bible reading time was a failure.
Tim: Men, it's a lot of pressure.
Jon: It's a lot of pressure. Because often you would just get into observation mode and
be like, "This is confusing."
Tim: That's what I'm observing.
Jon: I'm observing that I'm very confused.
Tim: Why did this person kill that person?
Jon: I didn't have a category in my mind of sitting down and reading the Bible and being
confused is a good thing in and of itself, especially when done in community.
Because as you read these stories and listening, these stories are shaping your
imagination in the way you think about the world. Even if you don't realize, they're
Tim: That's right.
Jon: So success isn't coming to a specific application and then sticking with it. There's
success and just getting together and reading the Bible. It's like a new definition of
success that's a lot more manageable.
Tim: And historic.
Jon: And historic.
Tim: But notice in this first scene, Exodus 24, where the proto Bible, the first version of a
section of the Bible is read aloud, what the people do is respond. They respond. I've
actually come to really dislike the word application in this process of Bible reading.
Mostly, because I think that term itself has an assumption built into it about the
nature and purpose of the Bible that it's some kind of handbook and I just need to
use the right interpretation code and then I can—
Jon: Put the right interpretation, the algorithm in and I get my life planned.
Tim: Then I get my life verse or life application for the day. Much of the Bible doesn't
work like that. You could argue that some parts of the Bible do, those are that are
more oriented towards prose discourse, basically, the letters of the New Testament.
Jon: The sermon on the mount that you memorized?
Tim: Yes, Sermon on the Mount, but moral or ethical teaching. But Lamentations, just five
long funeral poems over the destruction of Jerusalem, what can you apply? I guess I
need to lament over a city that got destroyed recently. You can look it up on Google.
Jon: Well, you get really creative and you develop a new skill, a skill in which to apply
these things in very creative ways. The people who are best at it end up writing
Tim: Yeah. And you are like, "Whoa."
Jon: For Lamentation, it's like, "Think of something in your life that has brought you grief
and then use this verse in the way that he repeated this word to process it in this
way." And you are like, "Oh, okay." That's cool but it takes a devotional writer to do it
Tim: There's a reason why teachers are said to be a group of people God raises up for the
church. the Bible is hard. That's a gift. And anybody who's doing that, that's
awesome. I want to cheer them on.
But at the same time, for me, the concern is, I think just application is just the wrong
category for what most of the Bible is, which is narrative and poetry makes up nearly
75% of the Bible. That's why the story is suggestive to me in Exodus 24. "The people
respond." I like that word "response."
Lamentations forces a response. Response is different than application. Response
means, oh, this work of literature is supposed to do something to me and I'm
supposed to react to it in some way. It is trying to do something to me.
Jon: I was kind of like, "If you're looking at a painting or something, you respond
emotionally and intellectually to it, but you're not applying that to yourself."
Tim: But let's just say a visual image, like a flyer or a promotional flyer for a world relief
organization. They'll show you a picture of a real destitute village and some hungry
people. The purpose of that image is for you to respond. Is to go to this website and
find out how to volunteer, how to get involved, what to do. But the purpose is for
you to respond with action and service and generosity.
But if you go stand in front of a work of art down at the Museum of Art, it's also a
visual image that is trying to get a response out of you but it's not at all the same
kind of response.
Jon: The kind of application is not very well defined.
Tim: It might get you to start thinking about the meaning of your life or whatever. It can
take so many different forms. That's the question is, different parts of the Bible are
trying to get you to respond in different ways.
Jon: And there are some parts of the Bible that just want you to absorb the story like you
would absorb a piece of art. Then there are some parts of the Bible that want you to
actually make a change or decisions.
Tim: A specific behavior.
Jon: Very specific behavior.
Tim: There's no one size fits all when it comes to hearing the Bible read to you or reading
yourself and application.
Jon: So you like the word response because it's broad?
Tim: Because it's broad, and because instead of the Bible as a handbook, and I go apply
the interpretation code and find the thing I'm supposed to do, the Bible itself is an
active reality. It's an active word that doing things to me. It's acting upon me. I'm
being read as much as I'm reading the Bible.
Jon: I see.
Tim: It's reading me.
Jon: Application is all focused on, "What am I going to do." Response has this category,
which is, "What's naturally happening because of this interaction?"
Tim: That's right. So response. The Israelites at the foot of the mountain, they just heard
the terms of the covenant. Their response is, "Everything you said, we're going to
Jon: It's appropriate response.
Tim: But when they hear the book of Lamentations read aloud, that is very different. It
puts you in a completely different headspace.
Jon: You wouldn't say, "Everything that was said, I'm going to do," after reading
Tim: No, you would. You would say—
Jon: You'd be worried if someone said that. You'd be like, "Hold on. I thank you miss the
Tim: Yeah, that's right. That is just its own idea that the Bible read aloud forces a response
from the group of people who are hearing it, but different parts of the Bible will
generate a different response. That's just a simpler way of honoring what the Bible
actually is and is for.
Tim: We've got the first writing of the Bible in the Bible and the first time the proto Bible
is read aloud telling the story, inviting people into that story, and then—
Jon: Having some sort of ceremony.
Tim: A ceremony where you're called to respond, whether you're going to live according
to this story. As you read on in the Bible, this thing about remembering the story
and remembering that you've committed yourself to this story and these people
who live in this way, this is big, big deal, especially in the book of Deuteronomy,
which is the last book of the Torah.
There's a huge theme. The word "remember" occurs dozens of times in this book.
Remember what happened at the mountain. Remember what happened at the Red
Sea, the Sea of Reeds. Remember what happened at the Exodus story to Pharaoh.
Remember how he provided for you in the wilderness.
There's this motif that in your homes, in your families and with your friends, you're
constantly retelling the story and talking about it and thinking about it.
Jon: To keep the memory fresh.
Tim: To keep the memory fresh, yeah. For example, Deuteronomy chapter 4, Moses says
to Israel, "Look, I've taught you the decrees and the laws God commanded me so
that you'll follow them when you go into the land. Observe them carefully, for this
will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations who will hear about how
you live, and they'll say, surely this nation is wise in understanding."
Again, this is about the scriptures read, when they're remembered and responded to,
they form a people who are distinct and that the nation's look on and say, "Well,
these people who live by the story, they're different and they're wise and it's
compelling. It's the kingdom of priest’s idea.
Then it goes on. Moses says, "Be careful, watch yourself so you don't forget
everything you've experienced. Teach your children and your children's children after
them." This is passing on the story which Jewish culture has absolutely mastered.
We're talking about one of those ancient people groups from the ancient world that
still has an active religious liturgy that it's morphed as time has gone on, but it's the
same basic things that they've been doing for millennia. And they've been able to
maintain their unique identity no matter what culture that Jewish people have gone
Jon: What actually happens in synagogue? Is there aloud reading of the Torah?
Tim: We'll get there. Yes, that's right. That's where this is all going. Where we end is in the
first-century synagogues with weekly reading aloud of the Scripture. But it has deep
roots all the way back to "remember the story." That's a big theme in Deuteronomy.
Near the end of the book of Deuteronomy in chapter 31, this is where we first kind
of land here. Moses is going to die. He's going to pass leadership on to Joshua. So
what he does is he writes what I call the proto Torah - the version of the Torah that
he contributed to and shaped directly and then passed on to Joshua and then the
later prophets after him who would shape it into its final form.
But he talks about how he gave this proto Torah to the priests and they're to keep it.
Then every seven years, they are to have this huge assembly. Here's the passage.
Deuteronomy 31. "Assemble everybody, men, women and children, even the
immigrants who are living in your towns, so that everybody can listen and learn to
fear the LORD your God and carefully follow all the words of this Torah.
The children who don't know this Torah - the word "Torah" here means teaching,
instruction - the children who don't know it, they need to hear it so that they learn
to fear the Lord as long as you live in the land you're going to." Mount Sinai was
remarkable. We assembled everybody to read that but now we're instituting this as a
practice here every seven years."
Jon: So this is like renewing the ceremony every seven years?
Tim: That's right. You're reenacting what happened on Mount Sinai when we first entered
this covenant relationship. Now, every seven years, we're thinking in someone's
lifespan, then they're going to experience 10, a dozen or more of these ceremonies.
It's all about shaping you to live as a unique kind of people together with your
There's a Jewish scholar - I have some quotes here - a Jewish scholar who has some
great insights about this practice, which is very ancient. Jeffrey Tigay. This is a
commentary on Deuteronomy.
He says, "This public reading of the teaching - which is what the word "Torah" means
- public reading of the teaching is part of what he calls the democratic character of
biblical religion. It addresses its teachings and demand to all of its adherence with
few distinctions between the priests and the laity. And it calls for a universal
education of the citizens and law and religion."
So, I think, if children, this long sections of the Torah that are just like civil law about
what to do with house robbers and building parapets on your house and when your
donkey comes and eats my wheat, children, you know, what's going on here? So he
says, "It's the entire people, not just a spiritual or intellectual elite that are God's
children and consecrated to him. Biblical religion is for the people as a whole."
He cites this really interesting example. There's a third-century synagogue. One of
the oldest synagogues that's been excavated, it's in a town called Dura-Europos
which is in Syria. I don't know what kind of condition that town's in right now in the
midst of the war.
Jon: Dura-Europos was the name of the city?
Tim: Dura-Europos. It's called the Dura-Europos synagogue. Whether that's the name of
the town or it was at earlier stage, that's a good question. Google it. Anyone
listening, Google it. the Dura-Europos Synagogue. It's some of the most ancient
Jewish art that exists.
Jon: How do you spell it?
Tim: Dura is D-U-R-A. Then Europos, just spell Europe. It's some of the most ancient
Jewish paintings that exist ever.
Jon: There's a lot of them.
Tim: All of them are artistic retelling of stories from the Hebrew Bible.
Jon: Nice. It's like the first Bible Project.
Tim: Yeah, totally. I forget when it was discovered. It's generated whole field of
scholarship because this gives us a window into how Middle Eastern Jews 1,700
years ago thought about how they interpreted these biblical stories.
This is Roman Empire era, so they're all kind of depicted as looking Romanesque,
wearing tokens and that kind of thing. It's really interesting. The reason why Jeffrey
Tigay brings up this is because there's a picture of somebody with an open scroll
with people gathered around him reading the scroll aloud.
There's been a lot of scholarly debate about what is this image referring to. Some
people thinks it's Moses reading the Torah aloud, some people think it's Ezra, and
other people think that it's a depiction of what would happen in the synagogue.
Jon: This one's called "Ezra Reads the Law."
Tim: Yeah, that's right. There's no little caption at the bottom saying what these are
about. Tigay makes interesting comparison here. He says, "There's another sacred
building and Dura that was a Mithra temple, which was the ancient pagan religion,
and it is of a magician in his sacred robes, and he has a scroll in his hand while he's
amidst the people and it's closed.
But here in the synagogue of Dura, you have a Jewish man and around him is a
crowd of people, though I don't see the crowd in that picture. His scroll is open in
front of the people. Tigay just makes this interesting observation and he thinks this
is what makes Judaism unique.
Jon: So that was unique in that time?
Tim: In the Roman era, there was no close connection between religion and texts. Jewish
culture from the beginning tried to, first of all, have everybody be literate so that
they themselves can learn how to read and participate in reading the scriptures
Jon: But what's not unique is, correct me if I'm wrong, is every culture uses oral
storytelling to form their identity.
Tim: That's correct.
Jon: That that's not unique. But the fact that they write it down and they encourage
everyone to read it together and to be literate, that's unique.
Tim: That is unique. It has been unique in the history of Jewish culture.
Jon: Why is that significant? If I have access to the stories orally, why is it so significant
that I have access via scroll instead?
Tim: That's a good question. You're right, almost certainly through much of Israelite
history, this oral memorization existed alongside...because written texts were still
expensive to produce in ancient history, it's much easier to commit it to memory.
Jon: Can you imagine living at a time where it's easier to just commit something to
memory than to write it down? So backwards in my experience.
Tim: Yeah. I mean, that's most of human history.
Jon: That's most of human history?
Jon: We now live in a time in human history where it's far, far easier by orders of extreme
magnitude to write it down and to remember it. Now, we don't remember anything
Tim: Now we write it down. Kind of it exists in the cloud, in Google Docs. You're writing it
down, but where does it actually...That's a good point. It's a game changer printing
Jon: I just have to remember the distinctions. Get back in the brain of ancient worldview.
Tim: This practice of every seven years reading the story of the Torah aloud—
Jon: The teachings?
Tim: Yeah. The story of the Torah, the commands in the Torah aloud to the people—
Jon: And the stories in the Torah?
Tim: Well, it seems like the proto Torah that Moses shaped was mostly...We know it
involved that story of them being rescued so it was some narrative, and then it was
also the terms of the covenant - what we call the laws of commands. So whatever
form that was, he passes it on.
Joshua, when the people cross the Jordan River and they first go in the land, after
the battle of Jericho, they stop and they do this. They read the proto Torah aloud to
everybody. This is in Joshua chapter 8. And you can see why.
We're now crossing the boundary into the new horizon as people, we're going to
remember who we are, where we came from, why we're coming into this land, what
this is all about. What's fascinating is then you keep reading into Israel story,
centuries go by and there's no mention of this practice. Centuries go by.
The next time this public reading of Israel's divine scriptures is mentioned is late in 2
Kings. Like a generation before they went into exile. Josiah. He discovers some proto
Torah scroll in the temple that's been forgotten. This is the minority report thing that
what Moses was calling Israel too ended up being a minority view.
Jon: A forgotten seal the way.
Tim: A forgotten minority view. That's right. So that by Josiah's time—
Jon: Their view of their history and their identity was not shaped by the Torah.
Tim: It was not shaped by the Exodus story or the covenant at Mount Sinai, which
explains why most of Israel's history was one of polytheism. Josiah finds this Torah
scroll and blows his mind. He rips his clothing apart. He's so grieved to think that
he's participated in distorting their heritage.
Jon: He responds.
Tim: Yeah, he responds. You would never walk away with that application.
Jon: Yeah. "I think I'm supposed to tear my clothes is what I'm getting from this." That'd
be a great devotional...
Tim: It would be.
Jon: "Read the Sermon on the Mount, and then tear your clothes off."
Tim: So what he does is he gets all the people together and he has the priests read the
Scriptures aloud. Then they're like, "Oh, all the people, Oh, I can't believe it. We've
gone to the wrong." And it's a big reformation. He calls it the reformation of Josiah.
That's another mention here.
But think of both of those stories. Joshua and Josiah, they're at their key transition
moments in their history where either they are looking forward, "let's remember who
we are as we go forward into this new thing," or for Josiah, it's looking backward,
"and let's remember who we are. And oh, my gosh, we have not been faithful to the
story and why God formed us in the first place."
These are two things that the Bible does to God's people. It can remind you who you
are as you go into new territory that's unexplored. And so you're looking for anchors
to ground your identity and why you're here and what you're all about as you move
into new experiences. That's Joshua chapter 8.
But then other times in Josiah story, it's you realize you've lost your way or you find
yourself in a set of circumstances that are not what you ever wanted. And so hearing
the scriptures read aloud it's like smelling salts wakes you up to who you really are
and how I've been living in this way that's completely inconsistent with my true
identity. That's what the reading of scriptures in public can do to people. It's
powerful. It can both remind you of where you're going and where you've come
Tim: So the last story in the Old Testament about the public reading of Scripture is the
one that brings it all together. It's in the book of Ezra and Nehemiah, which are one
book in the Hebrew Bible. After the exile to Babylon people come back. Life's hard in
Jerusalem but they're rebuilding it. Some wins, some losses, some compromises.
What they end up doing is, in obedience to this practice of Moses talked about so
long ago, they gather all the people around. And we're told about this little stage
they make in the public court. They make a little podium or a wooden podium. The
priests are all there and the Levi and Ezra and Nehemiah and they gather all the
people, children, men, women. Everybody's there.
Nehemiah 8:8, "They read from the scroll from the Torah of God, making it clear and
giving it the sense so that the people could understand." This is the first example of
Israel after the exile coming together around the scriptures. But they're doing more
than just reading. There's also—
Jon: The interpretation?
Tim: Yeah. The people are expositing. They're giving the sense. This is the origins of
preaching the sermon. The origin of the sermon is right here. Where did this practice
Jon: It's interesting because sermon is so ingrained into our tradition and it comes after
already an established habit of just reading scripture aloud. "And now let's exposit it
a little bit."
Tim: That's right. The practice of just reading aloud is what came first. Late in the game
come the idea of "what does this mean for us?"
Jon: Or let's talk about it a little bit. Now, it's kind of the other way around. It's, "Hey,
we're going to get together and talk about the Bible and we might read some...
Tim: Or put a sentence of the Bible up on the screen and then give a long talk about it.
Listen, this isn't about holier than thou. "The church is all gone astray." That's not the
Jon: Because it's great to do that.
Tim: Sometimes that's what community needs. But it is good for balance and for just so
that we don't have historical amnesia. To remember the gathering of God's people,
to hear something is a very ancient practice.
Jon: Exposit is also cool word because it seems like it must come from some word that
exposes - just bring out what's there. Because I was youth group hero guy so I—
Tim: Meaning you were super faithful?
Jon: Yeah. I'd be there every week and I would start to even learn how to do expository
teaching from my peers.
Tim: Because it's all modeled for you.
Jon: I remember the very first Bible study I wanted to do it was at school. It was some
school Bible study thing. I wanted to do a fear of the Lord, and it was me trying to
come up with ideas for what I thought the Bible was saying about fear of the Lord.
So it became really more like me coming with ideas to the text, and sitting and
letting the text speak, trying to expose what's in the text. That's the habit I
developed just naturally, somehow. I need to have some sort of idea and then find
verses that helped me. You reinforce that idea. Versus "let's just read part of this and
then see if we could expose any of the meaning through little dialogue."
Tim: It makes you realize nobody comes to the Bible without a whole framework of
preloaded assumptions and ideas. It's actually very hard to read the Bible without
imposing on everything we already think we know. Because usually people are
exposed to the Bible within a community, a church community or synagogue that
you're either raised in or you become a part of. And really, what you learn first is
what you hear taught all the time.
If what you hear taught all the time sometimes mentions the Bible, then what you'll
learn is that framework or that scheme. Then you might get the gumption to actually
read the Bible for yourself, but it's really hard to hear it.
Jon: Yeah. Because you're trying to force it into that scheme.
Tim: That's right. And so you end up marginalizing huge sections of the Bible because
they don't fit what you thought this was all about. So it's very difficult to undo that.
That's why the idea of having a big section of the Bible read aloud I think sounds
weird to us because most people will walk away with so many questions, and usually
being confused and bothered by things.
Jon: After a sermon, you're supposed to leave with less questions.
Tim: And after sermon, you leave with clarity and conviction. I'm not saying that's wrong.
I'm just saying it's just different.
Jon: We are very sermon heavy and the danger seems is mitigated. Any danger that that
presents, which is now you're starting to impose ideas that aren't actually in the text?
If that happens, a good way to mitigate that is read large sections aloud together.
Tim: Yeah. That was some of the heartbeats behind the Read the Scripture series and that
Bible reading app.
Jon: So every seven years they're supposed to be doing this at the Feast of Booths. Is that
the one where you make a shelter?
Tim: Yeah. You make a little shelter in your yard.
Jon: And that happens every year. But every seventh, one of those, you're actually
supposed to gather and read through the teachings.
Jon: But then there's no example of that being done or there's no reference.
Tim: From Joshua, people entering the land until almost the exile to Babylon with Josiah,
there's no mention of—
Jon: But Josiah didn't do it during the—
Tim: No, he just had an emergency meeting.
Jon: Yeah, he did an emergency meeting. He didn't wait for the next.
Tim: The emergency reading of Scripture.
Jon: But we could assume that it probably was done, we just don't have records of it
being done in the Bible itself.
Tim: Yeah. And at least for the period of the split kingdoms, it wouldn't surprise anyone
to think that it was being neglected. Because, look at the spiritual and cultural status
Jon: But during the first generations in the promised land or something, you can imagine
it being done.
Tim: Yeah. Yeah. The way Joshua frames it is the transition with Joshua's death. After
Joshua - this is how the book of Judges opens - a whole generation arose that didn't
know the God of Israel or anything that he had done for them.
Jon: And how much time would have passed there from Joshua to then?
Jon: Oh, immediately?
Tim: Yeah. This is Judges chapter 2. Joshua dismiss the Israelites. They all go back in the
tents. The people serve the God of Israel throughout the lifetime of Joshua and the
elders who outlived him and saw everything that..."
Jon: so one generation.
Tim: "After that whole generation had been gathered to their ancestors, another
generation grew up. They didn't know the God of Israel."
Jon: So the children were not participating in the—
Tim: Yeah. The point is, is very quickly within the course of just a couple of generation of
Israel being now settled in the land, they forget who they are, they forget their story,
and they forget the kind of life that they're called to in relationship with God.
Jon: Thanks for listening to this episode. We're going to finish this topic on reading the
Bible aloud together in our next episode, the second in the series of how to read the
Bible. We'll see how Jesus started his ministry during a public reading of scripture.
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